. J+ l5 }* g9 [4 Etvb now,tvbnow,bttvb大家要有心理準備，更大的暴力還在前面。Philip Zimbardo在「The Lucifer Effect: understanding how good people turn bad」一書最後，認為要制止暴虐，需要在「重要時刻做出英雄之舉」的平民，喝止暴行，紀錄暴行，令穿上制服掩飾個人身份者知道他們的暴行及身分會被公開。而泛民政客在批評雙學時，也應在金鐘清場更大規模暴力發生前夕，向政府作集體警告。作者: felicity2010 時間: 2014-12-3 08:41 AM
本帖最後由 felicity2010 於 2014-12-3 08:45 AM 編輯 ; c$ O5 ~* w4 u9 K D$ U7 ]( O 2 q& J# Y' |0 {# b0 H, O6 C0 T5 W' htvb now,tvbnow,bttvbCHASING BIRDS OFF THE LAWN (麻鷹捉雞仔)／Richard Scotford, j" U3 n" [0 C! x; @7 e
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* a, W6 P& o, P" M+ Q1 ~5.39.217.76The police routes of protesters last night were nothing more than akin to chasing birds of the lawn and thinking you’re tough for doing it. One person can easily route 100s of birds, because they DON’T FIGHT BACK. likewise, 20 PTU violently thrashing at everyone will route100s. ) Y' V6 |( n+ ^5 O! I; z q5.39.217.76TVBNOW 含有熱門話題，最新最快電視，軟體，遊戲，電影，動漫及日常生活及興趣交流等資訊。# F k- D# x* @
The confidence of the hardcore police units to beat protesters is shown in the fact that they don’t even bother to carry shields. Just batons so they can move fast, hit hard and feel like they are somehow powerful. ' y- K5 c z, T- h( ] ' t! t: \* f3 X; W( p5.39.217.76Unfortunately, HK’s Black Police Force, they are now unashamed of this now and happily cheer and jeer at the protesters when they think they’ve scored victory, misunderstands this fight. They think it’s about power. When the Police completed their last charge this morning and stomped right into the main protester site, they were high on what they thought was a victory for them after a terrible night of collapse after collapse.5.39.217.76 |4 L+ g7 \; O$ v; x r
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And then this morning we hear CY pipe in that the protesters should not mistake the HK Police forces restraint with weakness.Which we could say exactly the same thing about the protesters.公仔箱論壇 c0 U! G Z* H5 U
- g0 o% \! c m% H! H, O# P! d& C- J5 p公仔箱論壇Last night, I spent a fair amount of time discussing with protesters who had found a huge stash of bricks right next to Lung Wo Rd, the heart of the battle. After being routed once by the police, people were angry and wanted to use the bricks against the PTU.Everyone knew they would come again, no one was surprised and some protestors wanted to hit back at the PTU when they came cockily charging. Fortunately,good sense prevailed and we managed to convince them that bricks would not help the cause. So the bricks remained untouched! ( D2 N, G; T5 @' }5.39.217.76 $ f+ @* F) b% [+ b$ g* S% a6 ? Jtvb now,tvbnow,bttvb[attach]2992595[/attach]7 X0 `# l! T( j- [; F
) M% r9 m |, mThe point is, which I’ve said all along is it is beyond preposterous to say that the reason there have been no major injuries so far is because of the restraint of the police. This is both ignorant and naive to believe or say. The reason why there has been no extreme violence is because of the restraint and good sense of an ad-hoc group of protestors who constantly squabble and bicker over method but all share the same high goal. ; _+ E! \+ r% R/ s : s; j" i# _* t/ MThere is no rational or logical connection between no negotiation and therefore straight to violence. People try to sell us this idea, and often we accept it blindly as though this is a normal state for citizens to be in with their government and police. But it’s not rational.Just like in our homes, if a person is being defiant, we’re not justified ingoing Route One to physical violence. The same is true for politics, or I can’t negotiate with these people therefore I will just brutalise them. 0 y4 H9 N$ [. G v* S7 wtvb now,tvbnow,bttvb 6 \% Y9 K8 H5 V3 uTVBNOW 含有熱門話題，最新最快電視，軟體，遊戲，電影，動漫及日常生活及興趣交流等資訊。So in this light, how can we see last night's event? Certainly the police got routed twice to start and then the police routed the protesters twice. So was it a draw? Maybe the police won? Their route took minutes whereas the protesters push took hours. 4 R3 g4 z9 P+ M$ u/ |公仔箱論壇& u+ X* Z: C0 T/ C7 X$ {
The fact is, this is a true Civil Disobedience Movement and in such a fight, the protestors need to show the inhumanity and unreasonableness of the Government. And the best way to do this is to prove that the Gov will choose violence over discussion and negotiation and will brook no dissent and instead violently clamp down on it. & c: H0 R8 d$ l/ k* H; wTVBNOW 含有熱門話題，最新最快電視，軟體，遊戲，電影，動漫及日常生活及興趣交流等資訊。 " o4 P/ W6 H4 O |1 ?公仔箱論壇After 64 days, the HKFS call to action proved that the government will not and cannot compromise. Maybe you already knew that and think people didn’t need to push it so far to show this. But again this is naive. There’s a significant difference between personally believing and proving. Whatever your thoughts on the Occupy Movement, your opinions on the HK Gov and Police are changed forever and will never return back to what they once were. As for the young people of Hong Kong, The police and Gov have lost an entire generation. they will not forget what they saw. This is the success of the Occupy Movement. This was the victory from last night.1 J. o$ _/ a8 G; Z% E
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Everyone's future in HK is at stake here. The Government has proved itself to be unashamedly malign to a significant proportion of the population and the HK Police have proven beyond doubt that they will happily run any of the government’s detractors off the street time and time again. The Police Force and Gov are stripped of any shame.They may well win by shear brute force , but they will never be able to get people’s trust. That has gone forever. 1 ? w4 o7 [9 b$ C( r* K- H3 Q & X9 x0 a. X% l3 [TVBNOW 含有熱門話題，最新最快電視，軟體，遊戲，電影，動漫及日常生活及興趣交流等資訊。 ( q$ ^8 y% o* K6 z+ g; r4 N【文、圖來自作者 Facebook，題為編者所加】作者: felicity2010 時間: 2014-12-3 08:46 AM
醫護義工譴責警方濫用暴力聲明公仔箱論壇* J0 \/ b' \- u
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作為一群義務工作的醫生、護士、以及急救員，我們自佔領運動開始至今，六十多天，每天廿四小時，從未間斷在佔領區服務市民。5.39.217.762 e# L8 X n) v$ R
/ Y c. F4 h! p; s1 r8 ~公仔箱論壇由一開始主要為市民處理肢體損傷及催淚彈或胡椒噴霧造成的傷害，以至後來轉而主要照顧佔領區的老弱、病患者，兩個月以來，我們的取態非常清晰。我們要求參與義工保持其行動政治中立，禁止以義工身份叫喊口號，甚至直接參與示威。其主要目的，就是避免製造對立，以求繼續在場執行救傷扶危的天職，照顧不同 政治立場市民的健康。 ) k% P& A x8 p9 x, Q5.39.217.76tvb now,tvbnow,bttvb5 k. ?0 y* L, R. y& l6 b j$ C
因此，當我們的急救工作受到警察無理阻撓時，我們感到極度震驚及憤慨。公仔箱論壇3 b8 V9 C/ }9 }9 n2 D: G+ \
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1 y$ E, j2 ?) t6 I, g J十二月一日凌晨，在警方使用暴力清場之下，傷者眾多，兼且傷勢是自928以來最嚴重的一晚。骨折，或頭破血流者不計其數。鑑於傷勢嚴重，當場診斷、止血及穩定病情當然至關重要。公仔箱論壇* [; h: z% L( }, v+ P0 U1 L2 \
