' N. c# ?3 n$ o7 o4 r# W$ Y- m而據另一份關於該次會面的資料,則指出中方反對直選和對代議機構的發展有戒心,是已知的事,但中方已同意在協議中定明1997年後設立選舉產生的立法機關。「連中方的默許都沒有的情況下落實直選,是不可能達至的事。」【註3】! z* D, d4 l; V8 I
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將時間再推早一點,9月11日,英國駐北京大使伊文思致倫敦外交部的一份電文中指出,他曾與中方的國務委員兼外交部長吳學謙討論。就憲制安排方面,吳學謙已得悉英方準備接受中方的立場,行政長官會以選舉或協商的方式產生,而中方經小心考慮後,準備以接受英方的兩個要求去回應,即協議的附件1將訂明立法機關會以選舉過程產生,以及行政機關須向立法機關負責。【註4】公仔箱論壇8 p# b3 V" O! z/ \
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電文封面有署名「CDP」的手寫意見,指出「這是另一向前的重大一步。他們接受我們就憲制方面提出的要求」。當時戴卓爾的私人秘書,是外交部借調到首相府的外交官CharlesDavid Powell。【註5】 ; n# z# [# s4 v# l) q' S. S8 M公仔箱論壇 / ^! u [' |, J& M5.39.217.76再推早一點,9月8日,伊文思電文倫敦,指他曾跟周南討論。周南指出中方的立場非常堅決。中方提出,在協議訂明行政長官應由選舉或協商產生。【註6】至於立法機關,則在「理論層面」應該由選舉產生,至少長遠如是,但未知到1997年之時的客觀因素是否合適。 % X/ N$ Q$ L) mTVBNOW 含有熱門話題,最新最快電視,軟體,遊戲,電影,動漫及日常生活及興趣交流等資訊。 s: `3 g/ R0 A5 _2 o: A) G G9 E6 P公仔箱論壇而在2天之前(即9月6日),賀維在他致戴卓爾夫人的一份文件中,則指出中方拒絕在關於1997年政府架構方面,承諾任何超越「通過選舉或協商產生」行政長官的說法。他們拒絕指明立法機關將選舉產生,或行政機關須向立法機關負責。賀維指出,選舉產生的立法機關是香港特區未來自治的根本,必須強烈要求。他因此認為,英方應準備接受中方就行政長官產生辦法的立場作交換。【註7】tvb now,tvbnow,bttvb* u) I+ X% M2 |/ q% K
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註2:「We believe that what we have today is a reasonable agreement, the best that can be achieved, and one which we can commend to the people of Hong Kong in good conscience.」公仔箱論壇! Q6 l: R+ F3 A) e
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註3:「The Chinese are known to be opposed to direct elections and generally wary of the development of representative institutions. But they have agreed that the Agreement should provide for an elected legislature after 1997. It will be impracticable to introduce direct elections without at least the tacit acquiescence of the Chinese.」 # b2 ?, ~, o: w4 B& m" d6 kTVBNOW 含有熱門話題,最新最快電視,軟體,遊戲,電影,動漫及日常生活及興趣交流等資訊。tvb now,tvbnow,bttvb) ^: \" g& B, \ k, {; [; b! t
: h: \2 Q) e6 ?9 |; [註4:「Wu noted from your message that we were prepared to accept the Chinese position that the Chief Executive of the SAR should be selected by election or consultation. After careful consideration, the Chinese side were prepared in return to agree to the two requests in your message, i.e.: (a) that the text of Annex 1 should state that the legislature should be selected by an elective process (semicolon) and(b) that the executive authority should be accountable to the legislature.」 8 p- Q$ L. l; x* t: F" G公仔箱論壇 ' ]$ A" |- h' ~' b* w' [tvb now,tvbnow,bttvbTVBNOW 含有熱門話題,最新最快電視,軟體,遊戲,電影,動漫及日常生活及興趣交流等資訊。, w+ P* d/ o: q8 y% C
註5:「This is another big step forward. They have accepted our points on the constitutional arrangements;」(「big step forward」和「our points on the constitutional arrangements」都有畫線。)tvb now,tvbnow,bttvb1 \) U( I7 z( x+ S1 ]3 }0 Q0 |
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) X/ p% D! I X( i" `7 m: d) e; w; q R G5.39.217.76註6:「Zhou said that the Chinese position was firm. The structure of the future SAR government would be stipulated in the Basic Law. The Chinese proposed that the agreement should state that the chief executive should be chosen by election or consultation.This was reasonable, because it would in practice be difficutl(原文串法)to per-determined the method by which he should be chosen.」 ) v% F% h* a: O% w/ Vtvb now,tvbnow,bttvb4 n3 k/ f1 N) |# B5 B& r7 s, J
8 i& |; S' g7 ttvb now,tvbnow,bttvb註7:「Next is the question of constitutional arrangements. The Chinese are refusing to commit themselves on the structure of government after 1997 beyond saying that the Chief Executive of the Hong Kong SAR should be chosen “by election or consultation". They have refused to specify that the legislature will be elected or the executive authority should be answerable to the legislature. We see an elected legislature as fundamental to the autonomy of the future Hong Kong SAR and must press for it strongly. Here I proposed saying that we should be prepared to accept the Chinese line that the Chief Executive could be chosen by election or consultation in return for a statement that the legislature should be elected and that the executive should be answerable to it.」TVBNOW 含有熱門話題,最新最快電視,軟體,遊戲,電影,動漫及日常生活及興趣交流等資訊。& j% Q5 n* Z3 ?6 ^, U
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2 }$ Z. D1 j; u3 s0 Z9 a h2 LTVBNOW 含有熱門話題,最新最快電視,軟體,遊戲,電影,動漫及日常生活及興趣交流等資訊。請大家注意,尤其是喜歡「捉字虱」的各位,「提名委員會」在文本之中,是有「括號」的噢,換言之,那是一個組織的專有名詞稱謂,而這個組織有三個程序:協商、提名、轉交普選。這個還不是「機構提名」又可以是什麼?而在討論之後,最終得出更為民主的安排是不再用「協商」而改為「按民主程序提名」。而唯一分別,就是在定稿時,沒有對「提名委員會」加上專有名詞的括號!9 k- d. n$ ?# b1 {9 Y/ F
! {) r. K5 Y' ?9 w! Ktvb now,tvbnow,bttvb按此英國法理,即使任何人要拿着這個所謂「僭建」來造文章的話,也還得要考慮政府有權「將訴訟進行到底」。 % [2 h. _( a% l公仔箱論壇) }! H. W; e4 v0 f. R y3 O6 m
要追求民主?好呀;不要篩選?好呀,全部都贊成。之不過,假如要「司法覆核」,到底法庭又會如何判斷呢?就是「按照基本法的立法原意是….」。大家以為可以填一些進去呢?6 N# u9 a: Z; S" z5 { ~