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[attach]1887042[/attach] ' s4 h! I: W1 X t' Mtvb now,tvbnow,bttvb & ?1 ~7 R! J1 q1 g3 Y2 ^6 u公仔箱論壇司法機構10月24日為終審法院常任法官包致金舉行告別儀式。以下是他出席儀式後會見傳媒的足本講話*。 6 m6 ~3 r4 R6 W$ W4 I5 {5.39.217.765.39.217.764 s0 @& b; Q+ k (Q: elaboration of storm cloud) 9 o1 Q& W5 b) E3 J. Z q' T公仔箱論壇There were talks about reinterpreting a decision of the courts of long standing. That is one specific matter. And the atmosphere created by the mere fact that this cause of being made, would constitute the rest of it. # `5 [! Q$ {- `) s5.39.217.76 / V, L% l0 a; H1 Y5.39.217.76 % R9 B Y" g3 m; f* G5 g; [5.39.217.76(Q: Elsie Leung criticizing the judges) . Z, G4 N5 J% VWell there were things being said even before Ms. Leung spoke. Ms Leung has expressed her views, which is perfectly entitled to express. But equally people who had disagreed with her, are perfectly entitled to express their disagreement. I happen to agree them.tvb now,tvbnow,bttvb8 P- A8 l& ]0 X9 J4 i& h
TVBNOW 含有熱門話題，最新最快電視，軟體，遊戲，電影，動漫及日常生活及興趣交流等資訊。( k: Q2 T9 J! K4 i - y, v; E: E+ n, E5.39.217.76(Q: whether Leung's comments would affect the judges) " v1 g' w9 ~! a* y) ^4 U1 u5 L7 X5 JTVBNOW 含有熱門話題，最新最快電視，軟體，遊戲，電影，動漫及日常生活及興趣交流等資訊。I don't think so. I have faith in them to decide independently. Sometimes something has to be taken on faith. I know the judges. And other people don't.So I’m not going to insist that I’m right. And those people who worry are wrong. But time will tell. And i think the judges will do the right thing.TVBNOW 含有熱門話題，最新最快電視，軟體，遊戲，電影，動漫及日常生活及興趣交流等資訊。; {- s d( i, e" C' z
5.39.217.76/ ^, z# G/ f% B# S4 S& L! W& P ; \$ R0 L# D" M$ K& t6 J" u c& U1 LTVBNOW 含有熱門話題，最新最快電視，軟體，遊戲，電影，動漫及日常生活及興趣交流等資訊。(Q: whether independence of justice is being jeopardized) & V4 _1 S( u9 r8 @' a6 g! r2 Y5.39.217.76No.She expressed her view. You can't jeopardize the independence of justice in Hong Kong, simply by expressing these views. If her views were acted upon, the situation might be different.But people can say what they like. Justice would be very delicate if it was jeopardized every time somebody says something.公仔箱論壇1 i( a. G2 x- `2 P3 _5 d
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I think that she did have the right to say it. People who disagree with her have the right to express disagreement. And as I said, I happen to agree with them very firmly. But I don't think we can say that she wasn't untitled to say it.The wisdom of it is a matter of whom to judge. But if you choose to say it,then you're entitled to say it. Free speech is very easy to give other people if you only give them free speech to say what you agree with. But it's often been said by generations of judges, that you truly believe in free speech, ifyou're prepared to () it, to the people whose views who profoundly disagree with, and which you even think are dangerous,this is what free speech is about. 3 r7 o u3 `- i8 m( W% Z+ m8 {6 Ytvb now,tvbnow,bttvb 3 U/ W/ S$ z( L$ Q0 `+ X5.39.217.76 g1 C/ w7 y5 e8 H8 C% \' @TVBNOW 含有熱門話題，最新最快電視，軟體，遊戲，電影，動漫及日常生活及興趣交流等資訊。(Q: CJ's reaction) 3 t$ B+ g( G& v+ Z7 y: B! bTVBNOW 含有熱門話題，最新最快電視，軟體，遊戲，電影，動漫及日常生活及興趣交流等資訊。I suppose it's a bit difficult for him. We have to see what he does. Some people might have wished he would express himself more firmly. Some people think the calls he took was wise. It's for him to judge. 1 f8 W+ n( W, }" m2 J$ @; f0 T5.39.217.766 b ^2 E2 `' y& }) f
! p1 y3 b9 A* U! N2 i7 S5.39.217.76(Q:Leung saying judges have made some mistakes) ) D, L- N1 B2 V5.39.217.76[smile]I believe she thinks we have. But we haven't.5.39.217.76; b5 G3 v, A0 ~
! T1 g5 o4 v! C% TTVBNOW 含有熱門話題，最新最快電視，軟體，遊戲，電影，動漫及日常生活及興趣交流等資訊。 # o0 Y4 Z7 E% o p K3 j: H' H' W公仔箱論壇(Q: Leung emphasizing judges should consider the relationship between HONG KONG and China) : R5 O6 d& r( o3 j y% L$ C0 I- U5.39.217.76No judge can fail to consider the relationship, when the relationship is the one under the one country two systems principle. + n. s0 n# Y/ X7 A* I" q9 {公仔箱論壇5.39.217.76% P4 k4 k. U C9 o7 a: w$ B6 h# [/ I
5.39.217.76+ N3 A! z% E2 i' n. E R (Q: storm cloud) ) O9 A9 }) d j/ j9 j" wTVBNOW 含有熱門話題，最新最快電視，軟體，遊戲，電影，動漫及日常生活及興趣交流等資訊。I describe it as clouds of storm of unprecedented ferocity. I chose those words carefully. I think that's exactly what it is. But if your faith in rule of law is only when there are no problems, then you have no faith in rule of law a tall.tvb now,tvbnow,bttvb, Y4 i9 A( s2 Y- [
Remember that the free media is itself a very powerful component, may be the most powerful component in the defense of rule of law. So you're not just bystanders, you're the major players, may be THE most important player in it. I feel sorry of people who just sit and worry about it, but they don't include you. You're the free media and you have voice. You should use your voice.TVBNOW 含有熱門話題，最新最快電視，軟體，遊戲，電影，動漫及日常生活及興趣交流等資訊。4 Y' M& R3 B8 v9 T
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3 b& ?5 U" w+ s, c公仔箱論壇(Q: about CY Leung) 9 Q5 ~2 G' ?- jPeople of Hong Kong understand their rights. And I don't think things have changed. I don't think things would have been any different if there have been a different chief executive. The commitment of the people to rule of law and freedom of HONG KONG is unshakable.1 O( q% ^$ N! B% R* k) Z/ ?. r
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No,I have no reason to doubt their courage. We have seen things differently. And I am sorry that I won't be there with them in times ahead. After midnight tonight I’ll be non-permanent judge. I suspect the cases they ask me to deal with will not be those type of cases. After all if they want me to deal with those cases, they will ask me to stay on. Therefore I won't be share these difficulties with my brothers and I’m sorry for that. But I have faith in them.公仔箱論壇0 I0 |9 W! ~$ e; \
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& V! _5 \2 _. v+ t% } (Q: storm cloud) 3 l `7 d( |% I; o& t4 x' H公仔箱論壇I think the storm cloud comes from anybody, whether he or she may be, who doesn't appreciate the one country two systems principle. Now why was this principle necessary to be clear? Once the handover took place, it would be one country.Nobody would have articulated the one country principle, because it's so obvious. The one country two systems principle design, is to emphasize that despite the fact as one country, it is two-systems.5.39.217.765 m$ P; k! Q3 ]4 a
; h/ o% a b% J! s# UTVBNOW 含有熱門話題，最新最快電視，軟體，遊戲，電影，動漫及日常生活及興趣交流等資訊。I don't think that I’m interested in identifying particular individual for where they come from. If you do not understand this principle, and everything it means to the ordinary people of Hong Kong, then you're generating the storm that I’m talking about. 9 L3 I2 i( M: v2 m. X6 v ! l8 T3 B2 C a. eTVBNOW 含有熱門話題，最新最快電視，軟體，遊戲，電影，動漫及日常生活及興趣交流等資訊。5.39.217.76- K. ~ w; L8 V) P- F$ H3 ^, w
: J! y& a( Y9 ~( G (Q: are there more people disrespecting the principle?) 3 }8 _3 p) b2 b2 X u! V; h7 i2 u, j. BNo I don't think it's drawing in numbers. May be they're raising their voices more than before. I don't think it's more people. In fact I think there are more people now who respect the system than when I started (my career), simply because some people who were born when I started have now grown up to the age of knowledge and understanding. So the number of people that understands the system and the rule of law has grown, not diminished. 9 P, S2 {2 x9 P" K1 K9 WTVBNOW 含有熱門話題，最新最快電視，軟體，遊戲，電影，動漫及日常生活及興趣交流等資訊。+ Q9 a- o C4 ?, x# N. Y! f8 N9 d& z
tvb now,tvbnow,bttvb1 J5 E. Q6 e3 X9 `" Z& k# ? (Q: about dismissal) # D2 r- B' n- ^2 ?$ X公仔箱論壇Who knows? I give my judgment. I don't want to speculate. If I was denied, that I’ve in fact been dismissed, then some people would say, what if his denial is wrong, either because he is saying that he hasn't been dismissed even though he has, or because he believes that he hasn't been dismissed when he has?Supposing(ly) I just denied that, it wouldn't be a good idea. * Q) P5 n7 q! \" J 3 L* V1 F+ X: H2 z; l! {' j1 \So let me say this. If you don't think it's a problem, that's the end of it. If you think that it's a problem, then whether you're member of the media, the profession or the academy or anything else, that should not diminish your determination to uphold the rule of law. That should increase your determination. 9 w$ c) ]4 E) l2 j7 z* [ + J! R z1 W& O) o' rTVBNOW 含有熱門話題，最新最快電視，軟體，遊戲，電影，動漫及日常生活及興趣交流等資訊。Let’s not worry about what has happened to me. Let’s just say, assume the worst if you like. That doesn't diminish your duty to uphold the rule of law. It increases your duty to uphold the rule of law.tvb now,tvbnow,bttvb/ X- m1 a- i& [4 q3 L8 `
% M! w8 E( D! D公仔箱論壇You're the media. You have a role to play. Therefore you're the farthest to worry about than anybody else. People who feel powerless would just feel that they're tossed in winds of events. But you people make things happen. So don't be discouraged. 4 r. u1 M. z! n' i公仔箱論壇8 r2 y/ U2 f( J! ?# F, ]
If you think there's any problem that should increase your determination to support the judiciary. If you think there's no problem, that's fine. If you think there's a problem, you have to support the judiciary more than before. I have great faith in the judges.TVBNOW 含有熱門話題，最新最快電視，軟體，遊戲，電影，動漫及日常生活及興趣交流等資訊。$ Z1 Y& l5 ^& u! b9 E4 ?
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I’m sorry to go. I will be going to active retirement and it does give more time for the family. I’m not unaware of the positive sides of it, but on the whole I’m sorry to go. Mainly because there may be problems and I will be on the sidelines. It would not be pleasant not to be there for the most difficult times. But whatever happens it happens.公仔箱論壇/ C7 p! h4 B. |% J& R( C/ ]1 s# d
- u) K1 e4 ^& y7 k \- tTVBNOW 含有熱門話題，最新最快電視，軟體，遊戲，電影，動漫及日常生活及興趣交流等資訊。8 l; N7 i9 v4 P5 z (Q: interpretation of Basic Law) ( u, |+ S1 s: F, j( }* k公仔箱論壇The duty of the court to seek an interpretation is laid down by the Basic Law. And the basic law contemplates that the court will discharge that duty. And the court should discharge that duty in those cases where an interpretation is sought. But if the court doesn't seek an interpretation, then i think seeking reinterpretation is fundamentally wrong.5.39.217.76& `( z3 R4 ?3 n$ ~
( B% Y' W4 }3 t) u(To media)Thank you very much. Continue to do your good work. " p8 u3 c* J; P6 z/ _5.39.217.76 7 o7 Z. p/ `8 `0 r f) p0 z5.39.217.76 R% X- t7 ?6 Z) v% w# f2 w (Q: few words to the public) ' F* `* v% d8 z* ^0 U3 q公仔箱論壇We're very lucky to have free media in HONG KONG. - e% _* y( {' t0 s! J4 t, T6 Y公仔箱論壇5.39.217.76) ?+ T1 z+ m+ J+ m 作者: lenway 時間: 2012-10-27 10:36 AM
刘晓波：邓亡灵钦定的爱国 # O2 A, l5 ~* y# m% H7 k9 u$ g 2 e- r @- }/ g% Z* j公仔箱論壇 对于北京而言，「一国两制」下的港人治港，仅限于维持香港的现行政制──钦定特首的长期存在，而对港人的任何政制改革的诉求和行动，北京政权皆要强行干预。TVBNOW 含有熱門話題，最新最快電視，軟體，遊戲，電影，動漫及日常生活及興趣交流等資訊。' v: [ d. j5 H( _3 a7 x1 F, l
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北京本想靠23条立法一劳永逸，但去年（2003年）的七一大游行，导致23条被搁置。之后，港人争取民主权利的斗争一直持续，为了2007年实行特首普选、2008年全面直选立法局议员，加之台湾大选前夕「公投」问题的发酵，使北京政权既紧张又无奈。紧张的是，香港民主派的势头正健，区议会选举中的民主派获胜就是明证，如果任其扩张，很可能导致将来的港府不再对北京「惟命是从」。无奈的是，囿于政制的差异和「一国两制」的承诺，加之国际社会的压力，北京还不敢对香港的要求政改的强大民意和民主派动粗。 ; ]2 V2 X( L# m) ?# `5 z 7 y) Y2 i1 f. k8 B 于是，北京只能基于现行制度架构，玩弄一实一虚的双管齐下： & \5 Z# u: X2 q+ G7 r, B 1 V/ n. M+ L/ D5.39.217.76 实的是牢牢握住最终决策权：在政制改革上，北京利用主权原则，一再强调「一国」优于「两制」，中央政府的管辖权优于港人自治权。最近北京又通过各种途径高调宣示：香港政制改革的最终决策权，在北京而不在港府港人。9 o% v {: z! D( z( t0 Q
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虚的是高唱爱国主义：北京拿出惯用的偷换概念、转移视线的手法，把政制之争偷换爱国与不爱国之争，打出模糊而蛮横的爱国主义旗帜，强调「一国」是「两制」的绝对前提，「爱国者」治港不容商量。0 o. ~) T5 b: [! z0 X+ X
