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2 H, G5 @. ~5 y4 H7 r: U5.39.217.76(Q: elaboration of storm cloud) $ A% z4 P. `3 l/ B% q0 pThere were talks about reinterpreting a decision of the courts of long standing. That is one specific matter. And the atmosphere created by the mere fact that this cause of being made, would constitute the rest of it.公仔箱論壇" f$ \9 a. \! y+ G
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Well there were things being said even before Ms. Leung spoke. Ms Leung has expressed her views, which is perfectly entitled to express. But equally people who had disagreed with her, are perfectly entitled to express their disagreement. I happen to agree them.公仔箱論壇% F- W+ O% [# \7 ]1 O/ x N& M
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(Q: whether Leung's comments would affect the judges) # T& d! E4 F. M+ ^" ]. FI don't think so. I have faith in them to decide independently. Sometimes something has to be taken on faith. I know the judges. And other people don't.So I’m not going to insist that I’m right. And those people who worry are wrong. But time will tell. And i think the judges will do the right thing.tvb now,tvbnow,bttvb T: }3 E6 G- q. }
, B+ _ R( K- y( x5.39.217.76 . n5 G) Y' @" b9 f# Ctvb now,tvbnow,bttvb(Q: whether independence of justice is being jeopardized) ' x2 q. Q, G: ONo.She expressed her view. You can't jeopardize the independence of justice in Hong Kong, simply by expressing these views. If her views were acted upon, the situation might be different.But people can say what they like. Justice would be very delicate if it was jeopardized every time somebody says something. 4 e1 |) n/ j$ L! h/ C1 Ptvb now,tvbnow,bttvb + y: i3 R" E! ^7 e/ I, J% ](Q: Leung saying she has freedom of speech) 7 X. u D/ l" t! C: GI think that she did have the right to say it. People who disagree with her have the right to express disagreement. And as I said, I happen to agree with them very firmly. But I don't think we can say that she wasn't untitled to say it.The wisdom of it is a matter of whom to judge. But if you choose to say it,then you're entitled to say it. Free speech is very easy to give other people if you only give them free speech to say what you agree with. But it's often been said by generations of judges, that you truly believe in free speech, ifyou're prepared to () it, to the people whose views who profoundly disagree with, and which you even think are dangerous,this is what free speech is about.TVBNOW 含有熱門話題，最新最快電視，軟體，遊戲，電影，動漫及日常生活及興趣交流等資訊。! D' I7 Z* z$ I; j$ w$ q7 F
+ `, E- ?( o6 v: S+ G& Ktvb now,tvbnow,bttvb ) T: k4 Q8 Z# J4 G& u(Q: CJ's reaction)5.39.217.760 m0 F! M; x% c$ d0 m
I suppose it's a bit difficult for him. We have to see what he does. Some people might have wished he would express himself more firmly. Some people think the calls he took was wise. It's for him to judge.tvb now,tvbnow,bttvb) C' l7 |- _* a% I 2 n% f0 E2 p( m. o4 R9 Y5.39.217.76 ( Z3 A( u7 E. p4 d(Q:Leung saying judges have made some mistakes) . q1 x g7 h: d7 X2 Y. D1 W( tTVBNOW 含有熱門話題，最新最快電視，軟體，遊戲，電影，動漫及日常生活及興趣交流等資訊。[smile]I believe she thinks we have. But we haven't. 5 U$ Y/ n( n& J+ r x+ }' a$ R公仔箱論壇 ! W9 ~ ?" M8 C5.39.217.76TVBNOW 含有熱門話題，最新最快電視，軟體，遊戲，電影，動漫及日常生活及興趣交流等資訊。9 i L1 l& [1 V; m% Z$ l/ {
(Q: Leung emphasizing judges should consider the relationship between HONG KONG and China) " p! `# r+ r% n. r% n; pNo judge can fail to consider the relationship, when the relationship is the one under the one country two systems principle.公仔箱論壇4 [" A& j$ b; R
$ U# ^5 Z, ?# I' D! v5.39.217.76 2 w! k' [0 K3 Q公仔箱論壇(Q: storm cloud) ! M: V/ e; g6 O( Q( ^! P9 @公仔箱論壇I describe it as clouds of storm of unprecedented ferocity. I chose those words carefully. I think that's exactly what it is. But if your faith in rule of law is only when there are no problems, then you have no faith in rule of law a tall.5.39.217.761 S' s8 Q4 Z* Z
Remember that the free media is itself a very powerful component, may be the most powerful component in the defense of rule of law. So you're not just bystanders, you're the major players, may be THE most important player in it. I feel sorry of people who just sit and worry about it, but they don't include you. You're the free media and you have voice. You should use your voice.5.39.217.762 v$ Q, z# r) e' I9 A4 C; W
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1 v; n: I2 [3 r (Q: about CY Leung) & G8 y+ Q0 P5 a; w g4 l! xTVBNOW 含有熱門話題，最新最快電視，軟體，遊戲，電影，動漫及日常生活及興趣交流等資訊。People of Hong Kong understand their rights. And I don't think things have changed. I don't think things would have been any different if there have been a different chief executive. The commitment of the people to rule of law and freedom of HONG KONG is unshakable. % j3 c1 y% v. m" k; Q# m% C% t1 b公仔箱論壇 5 ~2 e' C% ]! t( e# G 4 r( h9 M: R) H8 c8 p' {TVBNOW 含有熱門話題，最新最快電視，軟體，遊戲，電影，動漫及日常生活及興趣交流等資訊。(Q: whether judges no longer dare to give independent judgment like you) * q5 ]) p) J8 P( K; p5.39.217.76No,I have no reason to doubt their courage. We have seen things differently. And I am sorry that I won't be there with them in times ahead. After midnight tonight I’ll be non-permanent judge. I suspect the cases they ask me to deal with will not be those type of cases. After all if they want me to deal with those cases, they will ask me to stay on. Therefore I won't be share these difficulties with my brothers and I’m sorry for that. But I have faith in them.公仔箱論壇7 I+ ~' Y- }+ p0 I3 |& S: M- n7 v
$ a3 y4 C: [" C0 q; c# ^TVBNOW 含有熱門話題，最新最快電視，軟體，遊戲，電影，動漫及日常生活及興趣交流等資訊。+ ?! o7 k* _* z' W (Q: storm cloud) ' I) s' r8 X2 e2 ]7 P; q" a8 s! o; |I think the storm cloud comes from anybody, whether he or she may be, who doesn't appreciate the one country two systems principle. Now why was this principle necessary to be clear? Once the handover took place, it would be one country.Nobody would have articulated the one country principle, because it's so obvious. The one country two systems principle design, is to emphasize that despite the fact as one country, it is two-systems. f) K# u& x- Z. ~; W( ttvb now,tvbnow,bttvb ; K; k; j# j! w \; Ytvb now,tvbnow,bttvbI don't think that I’m interested in identifying particular individual for where they come from. If you do not understand this principle, and everything it means to the ordinary people of Hong Kong, then you're generating the storm that I’m talking about.tvb now,tvbnow,bttvb. o( B1 ^! s2 O3 B
1 n5 [6 E9 P* u- _TVBNOW 含有熱門話題，最新最快電視，軟體，遊戲，電影，動漫及日常生活及興趣交流等資訊。 3 G3 N% v$ N- J$ A% eTVBNOW 含有熱門話題，最新最快電視，軟體，遊戲，電影，動漫及日常生活及興趣交流等資訊。 5 q- T! f" n# `! {) D公仔箱論壇(Q: are there more people disrespecting the principle?) 6 A4 A n- ]& N7 T. x m% ENo I don't think it's drawing in numbers. May be they're raising their voices more than before. I don't think it's more people. In fact I think there are more people now who respect the system than when I started (my career), simply because some people who were born when I started have now grown up to the age of knowledge and understanding. So the number of people that understands the system and the rule of law has grown, not diminished. / f7 F5 `' d' ^ - h! R* p* x* j, gtvb now,tvbnow,bttvb - ?9 K5 e7 W+ Y5 cTVBNOW 含有熱門話題，最新最快電視，軟體，遊戲，電影，動漫及日常生活及興趣交流等資訊。(Q: about dismissal) 1 }( [! X8 n6 A# f7 p$ mWho knows? I give my judgment. I don't want to speculate. If I was denied, that I’ve in fact been dismissed, then some people would say, what if his denial is wrong, either because he is saying that he hasn't been dismissed even though he has, or because he believes that he hasn't been dismissed when he has?Supposing(ly) I just denied that, it wouldn't be a good idea.公仔箱論壇0 Y5 K- [- N: A9 F" q
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So let me say this. If you don't think it's a problem, that's the end of it. If you think that it's a problem, then whether you're member of the media, the profession or the academy or anything else, that should not diminish your determination to uphold the rule of law. That should increase your determination.) z" O, t/ t. a F% v. \2 A2 S
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Let’s not worry about what has happened to me. Let’s just say, assume the worst if you like. That doesn't diminish your duty to uphold the rule of law. It increases your duty to uphold the rule of law. 8 r, L& w1 m0 g8 e# d R K4 J1 @ w* K5.39.217.76( N) X' r# X/ Z+ N+ m0 p
You're the media. You have a role to play. Therefore you're the farthest to worry about than anybody else. People who feel powerless would just feel that they're tossed in winds of events. But you people make things happen. So don't be discouraged.TVBNOW 含有熱門話題，最新最快電視，軟體，遊戲，電影，動漫及日常生活及興趣交流等資訊。- Z0 S# K" ]: p4 L- |' v: {
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If you think there's any problem that should increase your determination to support the judiciary. If you think there's no problem, that's fine. If you think there's a problem, you have to support the judiciary more than before. I have great faith in the judges. 9 Z/ N( b' D& y2 k0 M7 z. V5.39.217.76tvb now,tvbnow,bttvb3 w4 a: n6 ~9 u+ @& G" ]
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I’m sorry to go. I will be going to active retirement and it does give more time for the family. I’m not unaware of the positive sides of it, but on the whole I’m sorry to go. Mainly because there may be problems and I will be on the sidelines. It would not be pleasant not to be there for the most difficult times. But whatever happens it happens.TVBNOW 含有熱門話題，最新最快電視，軟體，遊戲，電影，動漫及日常生活及興趣交流等資訊。! i: Z( Y* v/ t/ }
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The duty of the court to seek an interpretation is laid down by the Basic Law. And the basic law contemplates that the court will discharge that duty. And the court should discharge that duty in those cases where an interpretation is sought. But if the court doesn't seek an interpretation, then i think seeking reinterpretation is fundamentally wrong.tvb now,tvbnow,bttvb) k1 n7 b& N6 x3 x
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(To media)Thank you very much. Continue to do your good work. % n9 N$ f+ j: V) R- @ . }- v' W i6 RTVBNOW 含有熱門話題，最新最快電視，軟體，遊戲，電影，動漫及日常生活及興趣交流等資訊。TVBNOW 含有熱門話題，最新最快電視，軟體，遊戲，電影，動漫及日常生活及興趣交流等資訊。) T! U+ h% s7 m/ U( i8 c3 I (Q: few words to the public) 0 ^1 H ]6 Z$ C0 uTVBNOW 含有熱門話題，最新最快電視，軟體，遊戲，電影，動漫及日常生活及興趣交流等資訊。We're very lucky to have free media in HONG KONG. $ R( s: u% ~' P5.39.217.76 9 p/ l/ T7 m* M2 w( Q! C5 U- K作者: lenway 時間: 2012-10-27 10:36 AM
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对于北京而言，「一国两制」下的港人治港，仅限于维持香港的现行政制──钦定特首的长期存在，而对港人的任何政制改革的诉求和行动，北京政权皆要强行干预。) d8 U; H/ W* L3 \9 V- `' t
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北京本想靠23条立法一劳永逸，但去年（2003年）的七一大游行，导致23条被搁置。之后，港人争取民主权利的斗争一直持续，为了2007年实行特首普选、2008年全面直选立法局议员，加之台湾大选前夕「公投」问题的发酵，使北京政权既紧张又无奈。紧张的是，香港民主派的势头正健，区议会选举中的民主派获胜就是明证，如果任其扩张，很可能导致将来的港府不再对北京「惟命是从」。无奈的是，囿于政制的差异和「一国两制」的承诺，加之国际社会的压力，北京还不敢对香港的要求政改的强大民意和民主派动粗。2 N0 y+ d4 C: Y0 J% K, `
0 r h5 w9 x" ^; o5.39.217.76 于是，北京只能基于现行制度架构，玩弄一实一虚的双管齐下： % w& J% t. x9 o2 M1 f, vTVBNOW 含有熱門話題，最新最快電視，軟體，遊戲，電影，動漫及日常生活及興趣交流等資訊。tvb now,tvbnow,bttvb" o' J( J% U k" Q5 K A
实的是牢牢握住最终决策权：在政制改革上，北京利用主权原则，一再强调「一国」优于「两制」，中央政府的管辖权优于港人自治权。最近北京又通过各种途径高调宣示：香港政制改革的最终决策权，在北京而不在港府港人。5 V; k5 V s8 p, _8 V
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虚的是高唱爱国主义：北京拿出惯用的偷换概念、转移视线的手法，把政制之争偷换爱国与不爱国之争，打出模糊而蛮横的爱国主义旗帜，强调「一国」是「两制」的绝对前提，「爱国者」治港不容商量。% ]: {9 |' Q( ~& K% X
& I# L# y% O# e1 M 「一国两制」来自邓小平，邓当然就是解释「一国两制」的权威。要求推动政改的港人在解释邓的香港政策时，著重强调「两制」：能否在政制选择上尊重多数港人的意愿，乃是考验「两制」能否落到实处的关键。民主派全力推动政治民主化，就是希望以港人治港的实绩来落实「两制。」 2 |3 Z ~* \2 {; D0 lTVBNOW 含有熱門話題，最新最快電視，軟體，遊戲，電影，動漫及日常生活及興趣交流等資訊。 ; U1 U( n, C: O5.39.217.76 然而，仍然独裁的北京害怕政制改革，对台湾的政治民主化无计可施，但对香港政改却不遗余力地打压。为了回应香港民主派对「两制」的强调，也只能凸出北京对「一国」的强调。所以，在现政权的爱国说辞缺乏权威性的情况下，再次抬出邓的亡灵，重新发表邓关于「爱国者」治港的讲话，并对何谓「爱国者」作出了单方面的解释：一切听命于北京的港人就是爱国者，也就具有治港的资格和权力；而所有在政制改革问题上与北京有分歧的港人被污蔑为不爱国者，也就不具有治港的资格和权力。5.39.217.766 O6 w9 v {9 A( U8 e: v
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邓小平已经死了7年，江泽民之后的胡温体制也已经掌权一年，然而，对中共政权来说，只要其政制不变，毛泽东和邓小平两代政治强人的遗产，仍然具有道统的实用价值。毛泽东钦定的接班人被邓小平废了，但毛钦定的独裁传统仍然强大。邓小平生前，不仅在权力交接的人事安排上，可以废除他亲自选定的接班人胡耀邦和赵紫阳，钦定第三代江泽民和第四代胡锦涛，而且在治国指导思想上，可以把「邓小平理论」自我钦定为「一百年不动摇」的道统。 ! |9 m `7 k0 R : @ O* H$ h" N* ttvb now,tvbnow,bttvb 现在，在政制改革的问题上，当港人的主流民意及民主派与北京及傀儡港府之间的冲突表面化之后，现政权又祭出邓的亡灵，为治理香港钦定大政方针：爱国者才有治港的资格和权力，爱国者的标准就是对北京俯首帖耳。香港的爱国富豪又在傀儡标准之外，将邓的标准金钱化：爱国与港人的民主权利和做人尊严无关，而只关乎港人在大陆的投资，谁在大陆投钱多，谁就最爱国。TVBNOW 含有熱門話題，最新最快電視，軟體，遊戲，電影，動漫及日常生活及興趣交流等資訊。- v. ^3 j8 Z% s! i: K
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独裁者所钦定的爱国标准，在坟墓的腐朽之外，又被铜臭污染。 0 v+ X" N6 J( \% L5.39.217.76 . V0 [' i" }' k; CTVBNOW 含有熱門話題，最新最快電視，軟體，遊戲，電影，動漫及日常生活及興趣交流等資訊。 2004年2月26日于北京家中 作者: felicity2010 時間: 2012-10-27 10:53 AM
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魯平及陳佐洱硬砌港獨蔓延，要嚴正應付，從意識形態鬥爭角度來看，並不尋常。對港情稍有認識者，都不會贊同港獨蔓延之說。遊行示威高舉港英時代龍獅旗，不足以推論出港獨巳成勢。網民不滿政治現狀，所以才有高舉龍獅旗行為。真正港獨既要有政治論述及行動綱領，並付諸實行。近月真正提倡港獨，只有立法會議員鐘樹根在咭片上印上People's Republic of Hong Kong，即香港人民共和國，而事後他已澄清是助理手文之誤。TVBNOW 含有熱門話題，最新最快電視，軟體，遊戲，電影，動漫及日常生活及興趣交流等資訊。/ n. e( t% W6 C/ C- p5 q8 \
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今次港澳辦前高層官員高調砌港獨，梁振英駁斥城邦自治論互相呼應，香港人需要正視。從政治鬥爭角度而言，硬砌港獨可以達到以下幾個目的：5.39.217.76 U: N$ Z4 g% c7 f
! m$ d2 T s, y, n1）嚇窒本土社運：七一有近四十萬人上街反梁振英，七●廿九有七萬上街反國教，九月初十二萬人包圍政府總部，社運抬頭已成勢。一旦將社運與港獨拉上關係，自然會令一般中產群眾有戒心，因港獨並非香港主流。tvb now,tvbnow,bttvb7 A3 {- c# Z% J: e8 s
