3 k! x+ o3 a& t' T0 l% V% WTVBNOW 含有熱門話題,最新最快電視,軟體,遊戲,電影,動漫及日常生活及興趣交流等資訊。卡麥隆說:「民眾大肆搶劫、破壞、和偷竊,讓舉國震驚,這就是犯罪,沒有什麼藉口可言」。他說政府定將嚴辦肇事者;今後如再有暴亂,警察得使用橡皮子彈,或用水龍沖散群眾。事實上他唯一做出的事,是考慮禁止電腦程式Twitter。此訊立即引起同屬保守黨的女議員LouiseMensch強烈反對。 0 N1 \! d+ K J; l公仔箱論壇一周以來,英國乃至歐美各國不論教育家、心理學家、或者犯罪學家,眾人議論紛紛,就是沒人知道如何才能避免同樣的暴亂事件再度發生。從另一角度去看,問題在於這一代的英國青年,不瞭解民主自由之可貴,和享受的背面需要奉獻。他們的生活太優裕,嫌讀書太無聊,整天成群結黨在街上遊蕩,出事只是遲早問題而已。 1 V' G1 e# m, D + `, i- z9 }5 E9 l! xtvb now,tvbnow,bttvb也有人舉吉朋(Edward Gibbons)的名著《羅馬帝國興亡史》一書為例說,世上沒有永不敗亡的帝國。從十六世紀到二十世紀中葉,英國稱霸世界已四百餘年。物必自腐而後蟲生,列名聯合國安理會五強之一,原就有些勉強,倫敦早該識相一點,自求多福,更不必學破落戶子弟,硬撐場面。5.39.217.76) M" Z I) P' j5 W3 Z- d
" Y7 n4 O4 g4 s9 B ^: etvb now,tvbnow,bttvb我的觀察是,英國真正的困難在於無法振興經濟。今年七月的全國失業率,已高達百分之七點七。放眼未來,國家經濟勢必繼續受歐盟與美國拖累,不可能有起色。高物價加高失業率,才是青年人爆發不滿的真正原因。一葉落而知秋,這次動亂會是大英帝國未來歲月的預演嗎?世人只能摒息以待。作者: felicity2010 時間: 2011-8-15 09:57 AM
史學家說暴動 陶傑 0 p: x2 F5 h* ~5.39.217.76 8 q# T& q* u9 ^ N2 r" R: Y8 K公仔箱論壇 0 j) W2 d( N+ p) O" r4 ` c, GTVBNOW 含有熱門話題,最新最快電視,軟體,遊戲,電影,動漫及日常生活及興趣交流等資訊。英國大暴動,名歷史學家史塔基電視訪談。他說:這不是一般的什麼平民怨憤的大爆發,不,叫做暴亂,太抬舉了,這只是一場「暴力的購物」( Shopping with violence)。 9 Q5 L, h* x* q, i ~5 I2 t公仔箱論壇 . O, S, ~* q" w* s0 b5.39.217.76史塔基然後說:這幫人,本來是加勒比海的 Hip-hop音樂加一點Rap的節奏,變了種,就成為這個樣子,這不是英國的文化,而是外來的東西。tvb now,tvbnow,bttvb/ s( i. Z$ N5 c
) J; B% T* S' T# x0 X/ P: t) DTVBNOW 含有熱門話題,最新最快電視,軟體,遊戲,電影,動漫及日常生活及興趣交流等資訊。史塔基即刻被指為「種族主義者」。主持人追問:你的意思,是黑人的文化就等同罪惡了?5.39.217.76& G% y) {9 u2 J, Y, i
史塔基說:我沒有這樣說。黑人也不一定是壞的,像英國工黨那位黑人議員萊米,他的英文就很流利,在電話裏聽他講話,閉上眼睛,你以為他是英國白人。這樣講,又加一條罪名,有來賓反問,你的意思,是英國白人的純正英語腔,比黑人更可敬( More respectable)? 6 g, T3 E/ c$ M4 M- _( ^5.39.217.767 q! D8 M7 k/ i8 ]) Q5 P7 {0 h
爭論到了這等牛角尖的份上,就沒有什麼意思了。這樣的對話,顯示英國二十年來左傾思想之嚴重,直逼中國當年的文化大革命──有人要從語言中要求絕對的純淨,講一兩句合乎常識的話,即變成「種族主義者」。 2 j+ D( N4 }3 S7 a5.39.217.76史塔基是劍橋學者,BBC電視台「都鐸王朝」的歷史顧問,一生人只研究十六世紀都鐸王朝那一百幾十年。英國暴動,有人怪警察,有人責備保守黨,卻沒有什麼人說暴徒不對。 % D0 X$ Q l/ m9 B1 xtvb now,tvbnow,bttvb 1 b: E) g: a; p0 @: A" O5.39.217.76香港的戲院,用杜比音響系統,記不記得電影開映前,杜比系統有一段宣傳片:十幾個加勒比海的黑人青少年,穿 T恤牛仔褲,把垃圾桶的鐵蓋子當做鑼鈸,把掃帚當做樂器,上蹦下跳,砰砰砰,表演街頭的Hip-hop音樂──全無美感和品味可言,只有年輕人過剩的精力。 2 D( z2 a! |+ P* a公仔箱論壇5.39.217.76( F, k+ Z$ o3 A6 D- S
這份精力,風雲際會,就變成暴力和獸性了。一個亂世,需要知識份子講真話,不管真話政治正不正確,不管得罪了什麼弱勢族群。作者: felicity2010 時間: 2011-8-15 09:59 AM
本帖最後由 felicity2010 於 2011-8-15 10:02 AM 編輯 ' m, q2 P8 a! i+ v; x5 z* Z; o ( }$ q/ Q! w, v5.39.217.76David Starkey claims 'the whites have become black' The Guardian 3 i2 M( e0 x3 a公仔箱論壇; n$ e. N. {8 Q7 g7 M
7 e) {, [! Y7 v9 SThe historian and broadcaster David Starkey has provoked a storm of criticism after claiming during a televised discussion about the riots that"the problem is that the whites have become black".5.39.217.768 H+ I+ {) V$ g i5 Y7 W: w
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In an appearance on BBC2's Newsnight, Starkey spoke of "a profound cultural change" and said he had been re-reading Enoch Powell's rivers of blood speech. ' O" b7 k5 s# d* q( t3 l& ^ @ ) v% I! ~4 [2 `' N6 @"His prophesy was absolutely right in one sense. The Tiber did not foam with blood but flames lambent, they wrapped around Tottenham and wrapped around Clapham," he said. 7 M6 k% N6 v" E0 S1 }5.39.217.76TVBNOW 含有熱門話題,最新最快電視,軟體,遊戲,電影,動漫及日常生活及興趣交流等資訊。 z5 Q1 s* M8 i
"But it wasn't inter-community violence. This is where he was absolutely wrong." Gesturing towards one of the other guests, Owen Jones,who wrote Chavs: the Demonisation of the Working Classes, Starkey said:"What has happened is that a substantial section of the chavs that you wrote about have become black."TVBNOW 含有熱門話題,最新最快電視,軟體,遊戲,電影,動漫及日常生活及興趣交流等資訊。 y0 s7 _' J) K' w+ c% l
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An outcry on Twitter began with the Labour MP Jeremy Corbyn asking the BBC: "Why was racist analysis of Starkey unchallenged? What exactly are you trying to prove?" A spokesman for Newsnight said: "I think that[presenter] Emily Maitlis very robustly challenged David Starkey.$ H- [) A+ o; `+ g
"The two guests [Jones and the writer and education adviser Dreda Say Mitchell] that we had also quite clearly took issue with his comments."5.39.217.76+ l5 e5 O, d# w; e/ b4 B& l" l5 l
6 V6 }# H/ ~3 U. o5 OJones told the Guardian he believed Starkey's comments were "a career-ending moment". He said: "He tapped into racial prejudice at a time of national crisis. At other times, those comments would be inflammatory but they are downright dangerous in the current climate.公仔箱論壇6 B( t( W- i$ f0 P2 o
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"I fear that some people will now say that David Starkey is right,and you could already see some of them on Twitter. I am worried about a backlash from the right and he will give legitimacy to those views in the minds of some." On the programme, Starkey said: "The whites have become black. A particular sort of violent destructive, nihilistic gangster culture has become the fashion and black and white boys and girls operate in this language together./ w P( \9 S) x0 v, K2 r1 b
"This language which is wholly false, which is this Jamaican patois that has been intruded in England and that is why so many of us have this sense of literally of a foreign country."5.39.217.76$ E8 m9 _& n1 g( P
The historian and broadcaster, whose historical documentaries on Channel4 about the Tudors established him as a household name, went on to name-check Tottenham's Labour MP: "Listen to David Lammy, an archetypal successful black man. If you turn the screen off so that you are listening to him on radio you would think he was white.". w! e& p! i, V; p9 Q/ F' d% Z
# ]5 g( v5 z4 E) X' x公仔箱論壇 ! O! H: v0 j: A* O4 o0 |" S5.39.217.76He was challenged by Mitchell, who ridiculed his theories about the speech patterns of young people."You keep talking David about black culture. Black communities are not homogenous. So there are black cultures. Lots of different black cultures.What we need to be doing is ... thinking about ourselves not as individual communities ... as one community. We need to stop talking about them and us."作者: aa00 時間: 2011-8-15 12:39 PM
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) P6 n% A! u* s" v {7 Z' `5 ntvb now,tvbnow,bttvb2011-8-15 q0 X' r) @$ |2 [ & o% x5 K! A7 V I4 z* c # n2 J3 F* z; f q# x公仔箱論壇若依照中國政府習慣的口徑,今次鬧騰數日的英倫騷亂,可以評價為「一小撮別有用心者,勾結境內外敵對勢力,歪曲普通的刑事案件,煽動一大批不明真相的群眾,製造的打砸搶燒殺嚴重暴力事件」。 & I! b4 C9 i4 ?7 v+ {5.39.217.76英倫騷亂,出發點無可厚非,是部分倫敦市民為一宗黑人青年遭警察擊斃案而引發的示威活動。但事實證明,這場號稱為了正義的行動,其目的可能只是為了一對運動鞋。從八月六日晚開始,示威突然演變成暴力事件,當地的青年開始不滿足僅僅焚燒警車、公共汽車和沿街建築,他們開始切斷交通,並劫掠各商店。騷亂最終蔓延至多個城市,並導致五人死亡,超過一千九百人因縱火、搶劫等行為遭拘留,各地法院徹夜審理嫌疑人。遭拘留者多為無業青年,其中不乏富家子弟。 7 k' e5 [4 L: f( `4 b0 \ \ 8 q6 W1 I8 A+ Y5.39.217.76而八月十一日爆發於中國貴州省黔西縣城的萬人遊行事件,起因也與執法有關,但後果判若雲泥。當天,當地城市管理者因暴力執法打傷了一名女子,百姓對此不滿,至當晚十時許,逾萬名百姓開始上街遊行。遊行過程中,政府部門的多輛執法車包括警車被推翻或被焚燒。事件中,十五輛官車受損、十餘官差受傷,但無論是官方媒體抑或網絡論壇中,並未出現遊行者趁亂搶劫的投訴,亦未出現平民及私家車遭打砸的傳聞。 4 W; O) l% H; W( c9 W' M( i/ ZTVBNOW 含有熱門話題,最新最快電視,軟體,遊戲,電影,動漫及日常生活及興趣交流等資訊。 ! S' w- Z. b2 v' }; b- b. c% E1 F不僅今次的貴州事件,翻看近年內地發生的群體事件,幾乎都未出現趁亂掠財的醜聞(藏獨、疆獨組織的暴力事件除外)。反觀西方近年發生的騷亂事件,幾乎都是正義開場、「劫」局難平。5.39.217.76* P% B f; d1 M! d
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同樣是群體事件,在正常秩序下個個顯得風度翩翩的西方人,一旦在社會失控條件下,立刻展現了予取予奪的自由主義本性;而平時喜歡隨地吐痰、大聲喧嘩的中國人,即使在管制失控下,仍能保持一定的自律與自制。公仔箱論壇6 X3 \ H" O5 e; V
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